Guest, on May 1 2009, 07:07 AM, said:
And how exactly does the Chapter 6 Keto quest work? I mean, what if you never had Yoshi in your party to begin with? Does Keto's quest still proceed? What if you were to install both Keto and KY but only have one of the two in your party at a time?
It's been ages since I played the Keto mod, and honestly I don't remember any of its details beyond her perfoming in a bard competition in Imnesvale. But if the song Keto sings in that competition refers to Yoshimo and his death then I don't see how the two mods could ever be compatible.
I'm looking through the TRA files... I haven't found the text for Keto's song, but it does appear that she is rather taken with Yoshi. I would not be surpised if she might in fact sing about him for her quest. She also has some lines with Kesley bemoaning his death...
I'm still unable to find Keto's song, per se, as there's a huge amount of text. But from a number of lines it does seem clear that Keto essentially tells the "Ballad of Yoshimo," i.e., the story of his struggle with his conscience in betraying the party while under a geas. She formed a friendship with him and after he dies it becomes very important to her that the world understand what he was dealing with, and that he be remembered well. From everything I can see, Keto and KY are incompatible because her quest is dependent on Yoshimo dying per the vanilla story.
Okay, I'll play devil's advocate for a moment on this:
If Yoshimo never joins the party to begin with, Keto must have an alternate song to sing in the bard competition. Therefore, if Yoshi's death variable is not found then Keto will sing that alternate song. So just like any other conversation Keto has pertaining to Yoshi's death, here too if the death variable isn't found then the material written around his death simply wouldn't fire.
I doubt that it would be particularly jarring for most players if the friendship between Keto and Yoshimo simply ceases after Spellhold. Players would still be able to enjoy Keto in all her other dimensions. And if Keeping Yoshimo is not installed along with Keto, then the mod would still work business as usual (again, assuming all conversations re: Yoshi's death are dependent on a check for his death variable). I can appreciate not wanting to compromise something so integral to the character by eliminating material that is so important to Keto. But if the above mentioned changes were made, for those who want the fullest possible Keto experience, then obviously they should not install Keeping Yoshimo along with Keto.
So this would entail 1) the approval of the Keto mod team, obviously, and 2) a modder going though all Keto's conversations that pertain to Yoshimo's death and scripting them so that they fire if-and-only-if Yoshimo's death variable is found.
Edited by Lemernis, 02 May 2009 - 02:24 AM.